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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:24 pm 
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These movies are comic books for me.

They are what 12-year-old me loved, gussied up for the modern age. Just simple, big fun.

I stopped reading superhero comics a long while back. They're just not what I'm interested in when it comes to comics.

But it's nice to feel the same wonder you did when you were 12 every now and then.

This particular movie (and its sequel next year) is the culmination of a decade of these Marvel movies, with all sorts of seeds planted and things falling into place to lead up to this one.

The real magic is seeing so many characters from different franchises come together. It was the promise of this whole MCU thing, and to see it realized will be amazing.

No one who doesn't already like the Marvel formula is going to like this. It's for fans. It's a big fan orgy...
I thought I summed that all up when I said, "Beer and popcorn", was I not clear?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:53 pm 
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A friend and I have a bet going that this will be the biggest money-making film of all time*. He believes it will blow right past Avatar. I'm not disagreeing with his assessment, but I don't really give a shit.

(not ticket sales, just boxofficemojo standings - which usually doesn't take inflation into account).

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Blowing right past Avatar is being really optimistic. That was one of those weird blips in reality that can't be explained.

This movie will pass a billion no problem, and should hit 1.5b, but Avatar is at freakin 2.7 billion. That's insane. Even the triumphant return of Star Wars fell $700 million short of that.

Even hitting the $2b mark would be really impressive. I doubt it will get there, though it's possible.

I mostly don't care, though, as long as 1) it's good 2) it makes enough to justify more

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:23 pm 
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If it's good, it could hit $2 billion worldwide. The first one hit 1.5 and 2nd hit 1.4, so with current trends, sure.

Over $2.7 is probably not going to happen unless it is an amazing film, mixing popcorn fun with intellectual stimulation, or polarizing politics, which it probably will not be.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:42 pm 
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I still can't wrap my head around how Avatar did what it did. It was a visual delight for its time, sure, and it was a well-executed cliche that was entertaining in the moment (though who ever thinks back and says, "I have an urge to watch Avatar again?"), but the numbers it did just don't make any sort of sense.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:30 pm 
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Shoe wrote:
I still can't wrap my head around how Avatar did what it did. It was a visual delight for its time, sure, and it was a well-executed cliche that was entertaining in the moment (though who ever thinks back and says, "I have an urge to watch Avatar again?"), but the numbers it did just don't make any sort of sense.

See, we're not all that different. I think the same thing about these films, only they're generally not a visual delight.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:34 pm 
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Also a disconnect, when I was 12, Rob Liefeld and Mcfarlane were in style. I don't want my childhood Marvel comics brought to the screen.

Most of the DC stuff I read was pap too.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:25 pm 
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PENDER!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:55 pm 
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I'd love is Disney made a thoughtful adaptation of Marvels.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:01 pm 
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Maybe Marvels could be used to introduce Xmen to the MCU.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:07 pm 
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brian wrote:
Also a disconnect, when I was 12, Rob Liefeld and Mcfarlane were in style. I don't want my childhood Marvel comics brought to the screen.

Most of the DC stuff I read was pap too.


Man, that sucks for you.

When I was 12, Marc Silvestri was drawing X-Men. Walt Simonson was drawing X-Factor. Bret Blevins was drawing New Mutants. Those were the comic books I read religiously.

Liefeld taking over New Mutants was pretty much what made me stop reading comics.

(In retrospect, I acknowledge that Bill Sienkiewicz's New Mutants art was better then Blevins's, but it doesn't trigger the same nostalgia.)


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I read DC, but much like how much I loved my Sega Genesis as a kid, I realize now a lot of it was crap.

I stuck with Superman throughout the 90s, but my fond memories of Superman comics are of the wack 1960s Silver Age comics I picked up at rummage sales. Like, yes, Jimmy Olsen turning into a porcupine and Lois Lane getting stuck in Bizarro World makes for compelling stories.


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Like c'mon, this cover alone is better than any DC or Marvel film out there!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:24 pm 
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I was working at a bookstore when Superman split into electric Red Superman and Blue Superman. I read that arc on my lunchbreaks.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:27 pm 
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Eric wrote:
I was working at a bookstore when Superman split into electric Red Superman and Blue Superman. I read that arc on my lunchbreaks.


I think that was about the time I stopped reading. Red Superman had more of a temper, if I recall.

Those were shit Superman comics.


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That was a brief post-Liefeld venture back into comics for me. Can't compare it to what came before or after because I didn't read any of it.


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Liefeld era got weird.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:20 am 
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Shoe wrote:
PENDER!!

:(

Sorry, I had no sleep the night before due to all my personal BS and finally fell over dead late yesterday afternoon.

This is not an excuse (how could I ever be excused from ostracizing such naysayers as Brian and JF from this important Marvel discussion?), it is just an explanation.

I cannot apologize enough.

:cry: :loser: :cry:

To Brian and JF, please kindly respect Shoe and the Marvel sanctity.

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I've been way behind on Marvel films, because - well, they mostly suck. Anyway, I tried catching up today, and I'm now only two movies behind (Spiderman Homecoming and Black Panther).

Let's see...

Avengers: Age of Ultron - I had to turn this off after about 40 minutes, it's so fucking bad.
Captain America: Civil War - Well, vastly superior to the two previous CA movies, but because it relies so heavily on the Ultron to understand what's going on, I didn't give a shit about most of the things going on. Also, Tony Stark was a fucking moron in this film. And Ant Man's entry/inclusion in this film is so clumsy.
Thor: Ragnarok - OMG, I want to have this film's babies. Seriously, as close to a modern Flash Gordon film as I'll probably get this decade. Even the stupidly-out-of-place Led Zeppelin music couldn't ruin this. Glad Disney finally had the balls to make what feels like a real comic book movie. Nice touch with the Chris Foss-inspired spaceship designs, too. More like this, please.

And, of course, my wife hated Thor Ragnarok. She loves Marvel films (ALL of them), but said she will never watch this Thor movie again. I kicked her out of the house.

So, I'm digging about 2 of these never-ending (Disney) Marvel films...not awful, I suppose.

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Thor: Ragnarok is likely one of the best things in our times.

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Thor: Ragnarok's use of Led Zeppelin was awesome.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:55 am 
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Eric wrote:
Thor: Ragnarok's use of Led Zeppelin was awesome.

It was an obvious attempt to mimic the use of Queen's epic music in Flash Gordon. Nowhere near as effective.

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I'll grant you the comparison, but if it was less effective, it was only slightly and only because it wasn't actually custom-made for the movie. Though it fits so well that it could've been.

Let's be honest here, Chris, your taste is questionable at best.


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Eric wrote:
Let's be honest here, Chris, your taste is questionable at best.

I've never questioned it.

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Eric wrote:
Let's be honest here, Chris, your taste is questionable at best.

I've never questioned it.



It's like how if you smell bad, you never notice it, because it's hard to smell oneself.

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Yeah, but I smell like roses. Manly roses.

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