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Author:  Ericubus [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:42 pm ]
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It was fun. Not dark in any way, not introspective or 'deep', just mind numbingly fun. And that is OK, these are people in capes fighting evil. It was also pretty funny, I enjoyed the humor, and while it did at first seem out of place, it didn't come off as forced to me at all. I actually laughed out loud a few times. One of my favorite parts of the film was when my 6-year-old daughter turned to me and asked, "Daddy, what's an 'orgy'?"

Author:  Eric [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:14 am ]
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brian wrote:
What was the post-credit scene? More purple guy looking at stones?


Two. One was the big ship from the end running into an even-bigger ship (that presumably belongs to the purple guy). The other was a throwaway Jeff Goldblum gag.

The orgy joke seemed to go over my kid's head, which is good because I don't want him repeating it and I don't want to explain it.

Author:  Shoe [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:08 am ]
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brian wrote:
I liked about 30 minutes of the film. I was actually incredibly annoyed with the first act because the humor seemed so forced, but a good chunk of the theater seemed to be into it.

They almost lost me during the first act. The Loki play in particular was pretty bad. Not only was it too silly and goofy, but to wipe away a major and ominous plot point from the previous film with a ridiculous gag was pretty grating. I get that they were trying to wipe the slate clean and do Thor with a different tone and style, but I found that story decision really off-putting. The whole Loki play scene was cringe-inducing. And the Doctor Strange cameo went on waaaay too long and really didn't need to be there.

HOWEVER, they did win me back once Goldblum showed up. Everything from that point forward was really good to me. The humor started to land, the adventure was good, etc.

Cate Blanchett was off the hook. Just insane, scenery chewing fun, seriously scary, and also seriously sexy. Quickly jumped up near the top of my favorite MCU villains. She was amazing.

Hulk! Best Hulk so far. As always, he steals almost every scene. The callbacks to Avengers were hilarious.

Valkyrie! Tessa Thompson was absolutely fabulous. Loved, loved, loved her and hope to hell she returns to the MCU, because she was awesome. Loved her.

Led Zeppelin. The two uses of Immigrant Song were killer.

Korg. Absurdly funny.

The amazzzzzzballs scene of Hela defeating the Valkyrie. WOW!


So they got their mojo back before all was said and done, but yeah, the first act was a really rough start.

Author:  Eric [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:23 am ]
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I liked the idea of the Loki play, but it went on too long. The scene redeemed itself with the comic book Easter Egg of Thor threatening Loki by throwing the hammer and putting Loki's head in the way of its return.

Agree that the Dr. Strange cameo was unnecessary; didn't feel like it was too long, given the decision to put it in.

Yes to Led Zeppelin, and every slow-motion action bit. Hela vs. Valkyries, Thor with the lightning, Skurge's redemption (another comic call-back).

Fun. It just skewed a bit too far toward those comedy Internet Thor shorts, compared to what I was looking for. I loved those and wanted a callback to them, but not for the whole movie to be a callback.

Author:  brian [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:25 am ]
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Skurge annoyed me because it seemed past his first scene, the only thing he did on camera was make a "I don't like this" face shot from the same damn angle every time.

Author:  Shoe [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:40 am ]
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He was okay. I mostly liked the idea of seeing Eomer and Galadriel lay waste together.

Author:  Chris Knight [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:30 pm ]
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Big news today is that Fox wants to dump its entertainment biz, specifically selling it to Disney. This includes 20th Century, which means all X-Men and F4 (and the other mutant stuff) properties would return to Marvel.

Author:  brian [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:32 pm ]
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I think that fell apart.

Author:  Chris Knight [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:20 pm ]
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Really?

Author:  brian [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:27 pm ]
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Really
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html
Disney is said to explore buying 21st Century Fox assets; talks now dead

Author:  caryc [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:42 am ]
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Bummer. I would love to see what Marvel could do with a Fantastic Four movie. As much hate as the last attempt got, I didn't mind it. I was just disappointed that there was way less humor than I'd hoped and hardly any Fantastic Four until the final 20 minutes.

Author:  brian [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:41 pm ]
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Fantastic Four should be some technicolor 1960s period piece that's pure Jack Kirby meets Venture Bros.

Author:  Eric [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:11 pm ]
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I don't think it should be a period piece, as that'd make it hard to integrate them into the larger MCU. But it should feel like that. Fantastic Four, when it was good, had a weird old-school comics vibe going up into the 90s.

Maybe if they did the first one as a 60's period piece, then had them stuck in the Negative Zone and emerge in the modern world, but that's probably too much like Captain America.

Author:  brian [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:19 pm ]
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See, the thing is, I really don't care all that much about the Marvel cinematic universe and just want a fun film. Does knowing Spider-man has been to the Baxter building or Yancy Street really make it a better film?

Full disclosure, there hasn't been a single Marvel film yet that I've loved start to finish, not counting Fox's outings. Loved Logan and First Class.

If I can't get a period piece out of Fantastic Four, then give me a zany 1940s Shazam! movie.

Author:  Eric [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:34 pm ]
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I can completely understand that point of view, but I like the interaction of the characters between movies, and I think it's pretty clear I'm not alone in that.

Author:  brian [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:51 pm ]
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Yeah, I know. And if I loved the movies, it would be fine and I'd be there with you.

Author:  Pender [ Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:03 am ]
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We went to see Thor: Ragnarok and really enjoyed it.

The humor was spot-on, I think.

It was a fun movie and a decent entry into the overarching infinity stones story.

The part that was hilarious to me was when Skurge was bragging about his

Spoiler: show
pair of assault rifles found in Tex-ass

Now, the rest of the theater was in a hushed, "omg, I can't believe that joke came up so soon after the church slaughter" (you could feel it - the reaction was palpable) and I was laughing my sick twisted ass off.

Talk about awesome.

And there is no way that it could have been planned any better. Talk about rubbing the dog's nose in its own shit.


Otherwise, I really enjoyed the story and think it is solid.

:hole1: :hole1: :hole1: :half: :nohole:

Author:  caryc [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:16 am ]
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:hole1: :hole1: :hole1: :hole1: :nohole:

I saw this last night and loved it. I thought the humor worked pretty well actually. My complaints are small.

1. The movie felt a little rushed as far as the revolution on Sakaar went. It was like Korg was handed a weapon and then the next time we hear anything about what's happening, the revolution is already underway. I'd have liked to see just one or two more scenes showing the people actually rebelling. It felt skimmed over.

2. Planet Hulk was probably the best opportunity Marvel had at doing a really fantastic stand-alone Hulk movie and that's squandered now. I'm okay with it, but some of the better parts of that storyline would have brought out Hulk's humanity and there just wasn't time in this movie to go there.

Otherwise, I thought it was very well done. Liked the Doctor Strange cameo well enough and really enjoyed the Thor/Loki interplay throughout the movie. Looking forward to Infinity War.

Author:  Pender [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:35 am ]
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Korg was one of my favorite characters.

Author:  Chris Knight [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:51 am ]
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I finally got around to guardians of the galaxy 2. Lots of fun, and I love the look...but, man, that star trek V plot never works.

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:00 am ]
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Hey, that character predates Star Trek V by decades. In fact, he pre-dates Star Trek in general - but it's close! Trek debuted in September 1966, Ego made his first appearance in Thor #132, which was cover dated ... September 1966! (Though it would have been on shelves in August.)

Author:  caryc [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:01 am ]
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Chris Knight wrote:
I finally got around to guardians of the galaxy 2. Lots of fun, and I love the look...but, man, that star trek V plot never works.


I would argue that this time around, it was done better than in Star Trek V.

Author:  Chris Knight [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:21 am ]
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Is used in lots of movies, and they all have the same problem...Why does a god require help? He's millions of years old, can build planets, but...he needs an offspring. Okay.

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:49 am ]
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Chris Knight wrote:
Is used in lots of movies and THE BIBLE and they all have the same problem...

:lol:

(I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm escalating)

Author:  caryc [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:41 pm ]
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Chris Knight wrote:
Is used in lots of movies, and they all have the same problem...Why does a god require help? He's millions of years old, can build planets, but...he needs an offspring. Okay.


Hey, even Odin kicked the bucket. Ooops. Spoiler.

Author:  Pender [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:56 pm ]
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caryc wrote:
Chris Knight wrote:
Is used in lots of movies, and they all have the same problem...Why does a god require help? He's millions of years old, can build planets, but...he needs an offspring. Okay.


Hey, even Odin kicked the bucket. Ooops. Spoiler.

That bucket deserved every bit of that kick.

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:20 am ]
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The geek joy is flowing through me like you wouldn't believe


Author:  caryc [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:30 am ]
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Now THAT is a fucking trailer!

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:30 am ]
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I'm trembling with utter geek joy.

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:53 am ]
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For fans, the 10-year build-up to this makes it resonate pretty strongly. I feel no connection to the Infinity story, never really have, but I've spent years following these characters, seeing them grow and evolve, seeing them together and in different movies.

To suddenly have them all together in one place, facing the culmination of a story they've been hinting at for a decade, and in a way that will rung with finality -- after Avengers 4, the contracts for all the main Avengers cast members are done -- is just monumental.

You can't just jump into something like this and expect it to work. Working their way towards it was really smart and has been essential in turning the MCU into a juggernaut.

Whether they'll be able to keep the train going after Avengers 4 is hard to say, but for now, this is just ...

Oh man. Bring. It. On.

(And FINALLY that theme song actually resonates!)

Author:  JFelix [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:26 am ]
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I think if you continue to be as excited for a new Marvel movie as you were for the last 50 which were the exact same goddamn movie over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, you're out of your fucking mind.

Author:  Pender [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:35 am ]
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JFelix wrote:
I think if you continue to be as excited for a new Marvel movie as you were for the last 50 which were the exact same goddamn movie over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, you're out of your fucking mind.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am definitely dented.

:thumbs:

Author:  Monterey Jack [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:40 am ]
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Shoe wrote:
To suddenly have them all together in one place, facing the culmination of a story they've been hinting at for a decade, and in a way that will rung with finality -- after Avengers 4, the contracts for all the main Avengers cast members are done -- is just monumental.

You can't just jump into something like this and expect it to work. Working their way towards it was really smart and has been essential in turning the MCU into a juggernaut.


I couldn't have put this better myself. :thumbs: All of the "me too!" reactions to the MCU, like the DC films and the instantly-aborted "Dark Universe" have never gotten why the MCU strategy worked...we got to know each of the characters in their own individual movies before they were tossed together in a blender (even Spider-Man hadalready appeared in FIVE movies before officially being added to the MCU, so although those films aren't in the same continuity, Marvel was allowed to introduced the character on-the-fly because we KNOW the fucking origin story already). But movies like Batman V Superman and The Mummy have been so hell-bent on cramming their overstuffed narratives with subplots and cameos and Easter Eggs that they forgot to be compelling or even coherent narratives to begin with. I mean, you look at -- arguably -- the worst of the MCU movies to date, Iron Man 2 (I suppose everyone has their own worst MCU movie, but that's my choice)...that was the only one of the pre-Avengers films where it really did seem like the filmmakers were more concerned with laying pipe for future movies than making a movie that could stand on its own two feet. It also had that kind of smug, self-satisfied tone that only a movie where the filmmakers are already counting the money it will generate has. Thankfully, none of the later MCU movies have been as obnoxious as that, but compare to the DCU movies...only Man Of Steel (despite narrative problems of its own) and Wonder Woman really felt like they were trying to be their own movies, and not just more cogs in an endlessly-spinning corporate machine. Cut to Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad and Justice League, and each one is like watching someone who has never swam before jumping directly into the deep end of the pool, because they want to be an Olympic-level swimmer RIGHT NOW, instead of gradually honing their bodies and minds to attain that level of athleticism in the fullness of time.

In short, for all of the "course-correction" that the DCU movies have attempted (which basically boil down to "adding more jokes"), only Wonder Woman is a truly satisfying movie from stem to stern, and I wish they'd just make good, stand-alone movies for characters like The Flash, Green Lantern and the like, instead of throwing them all into a room together and adding Joss Whedon quips and hoping that chemistry will appear out of thin air. That's what made the showdown between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark in Captain America: Civil War actually have some dramatic resonance...we had been following those characters both in their own individual movies and their Avenger team-ups for the better part of a decade by then, so when Steve said, "I'm sorry, Tony, but...he's my friend!", and Tony replied softly, "So was I", it actually stung a little. But in Batman V Superman, Batman goes from "wanting to murder Superman for dropping a building on his friend" to "Oh, we're besties now" just because their mothers shared the SAME FIRST NAME, which was an unintentionally funny bit of character shorthand that was not earned in any realistic way. Plus, killing Superman off at the end of that movie had no real resonance, because we had only seen this particular iteration of the character for all of two movies. Had they saved that for several movies down the line, I might have given a shit.

Author:  Pender [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:43 am ]
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Monterey Jack wrote:
...I might have given a shit.

Luke Cares.
[PICTURE OF LUKE SKYWALKER CARING]

Author:  Shoe [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:08 pm ]
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JFelix wrote:
I think if you continue to be as excited for a new Marvel movie as you were for the last 50 which were the exact same goddamn movie over and over

I'd say this criticism is only applicable to the origin movies, which have all followed the same damn formula every time.

Otherwise, they're no more repetitive than, say, horror movies.

Which is to say they're filled with tropes and commonalities that will drive you up a wall if you're not among the fandom and that are pure comfort food if you are.

Plus more recently, they've started playing with some different tones, from bonkers comedies to serious action thrillers family-friendly tentpoles.

But the superhero thing is, of course, not for everyone.

Villains, for instance.

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