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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:03 pm 
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Man, the fanboy reviews are amazing. Especially the ones defending Force Awakens. Weirdos.

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Man, the fanboy reviews are amazing. Especially the ones defending Force Awakens. Weirdos.

IT'S SALT. :lol:

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^^^^^^^^^^^

Most meta moment in Star Wars' existence.

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Yes, everyone is making that connection...

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:23 am 
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This was a weird installment.

The director seemed to completely disagree with everything that Abrams did aside from flipping off the prequels, except he flipped off Abrams and everyone with a theory.

Yes, the overall story structure was a mirror of The Empire Strikes Back, which I think was also a big middle finger to fanboys after the criticisms of Force Awakens as a mirror to A New Hope, he made it even more blatant, and at the same time ultimately completely different in tone.

It felt like what Terry Gilliam would come up with if he was forced to make a Star Wars film in order for Disney to green-light a project he really wanted to do.

Yes, the story seemed disjointed and clumsily told, until the very end. The film wasn't just sprinkled with political messages and ideologies, it was a political ideology sprinkled with Star Wars. And since it falls perfectly in line with mine, I loved it.

Snoke was changed from the wise manipulator and string puller, to the overt circus trick obvious bullshit artist in his late 70's Sci-Fi garb and boudoir. He became Trump, with Hux and Ren his types of followers.
Leia, and even more Holdo (Laura Dern), being Hillary and the establishment Democrats keeping secrets, keeping their own establishment (selling arms to both sides) and fighting in established and predictable ways, looking like they will win, but failing.
Rye, Luke, and Rose being the new guard and breaking down the old guard and fighting for what they believe in to rally the people and fight an oppressive system hopefully building something stronger and better.

It was a fuck you to everything establishment, from Star Wars internet obsessives to political leaders to even Abrams, which is usually a great thing. All those almost reveals of Rye's family, like Johnson was unzipping your fly, then pulling down your pants, then slowly rubbing your balls, knowing you are expecting a full on blowjob at any second, then bending you over and ramming his dick up your ass saying, "Aha, you weren't expecting this, were you, Bitches? HA HA!"

Overall, I loved it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:09 pm 
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Just got back.

This movie was messy, cluttered, and totally schizophrenic, at times veering into the bonkers insanity of the prequels.

And I loved it.

More, at length, a bit later and after I read everyone's comments. Suffice to say, I greatly appreciated the fact that the movie totally threw out the rulebook on Star Wars and did its own thing. It teeters on disaster the entire time, yet somehow it works.

Oh, and Luke? Was totally on board throughout.

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I'm going to post my own thoughts first before going through everyone else's. Juts putting the whole thing in spoilers:

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As I said in the non-spoiler thread, in a lot of ways this movie is kind of a mess. Needlessly complex subplots, humor that is out of left field, antics that are right out of the prequels (the little droid piloting an AT-ST!?), a story that doesn't know what it wants to be, PLUS, after all the joking and griping after The Force Awakens just being a rehash, look at the plot:

The First Order (Empire) finds the Resistance's (Rebellion's) secret base and chases them. As the Resistance flees, trying desperately to elude a pursuing starship which carries the dark helmeted evil Sith apprentice and his pock-faced Sith master, hoping to get the Princess to safety so the fight can go on, our hero, newly awakened to the Force, going to train with a cranky old Jedi who doesn't want anything to do with training the hero. In a rush of Force inspiration, the hero disobeys what they are being taught and runs off to confront the bad guy. This ends badly. Oh, and some dinosaur robots assault a rebel base across an empty white plain.

JESUS, IT'S EMPIRE STRIKES BACK WITH THE FRONT STUCK ONTO THE END!!!!

And yet unlike The Force Awakens, I felt like this was a movie I had never seen before. I had no idea where it was going. When it's predictable, it's predictable in unpredictable ways, reaching an expected end by an unexpected path. It honors past movies but is not slavishly devoted to them. At all moments, I actually felt the characters were in genuine jeopardy. Aside from Rey and Kylo, I legitimately did not know if our heroes would make it.

The tone was all over the map. One moment it's slapstick humor, the next it's making a profound commentary on the real nature of heroism. One moment it's cracking a forced joke, the next it's subverting the idea of what it means to live in the Star Wars universe.

It's so weird. There are so many things I didn't like individually, yet in a paradoxical way they all added up to a whole I really enjoyed.

Maybe it's because even with the bonkers story sidetracks and comic book antics and more, it all very honest and true to me. This Luke felt right. Perhaps not the Luke I expected, but it all rang true to me: his attitude, his motivations, all of it.

And his heroic appearance at the end? SOOOOO amazing. I teared up.

This was a beautiful end for him.

Taking the mysteries of The Force Awakens -- who is Snoke? Who are Rey's parents? -- and tossing them aside is something I loved. Those questions never really mattered, certainly not to me, and when this movie comes right out and SAYS they don't matter it's a fantastic way to stomp the brakes and say, "No, seriously, we're doing our own thing. Stop looking for clues. This is truly a new generation." No 'real' answer could have been satisfying. But "the questions don't matter" WAS.

I was stunned at Snoke's death. Didn't think a Star Wars movie could still surprise me. Think about it, what was the last one you saw that TRULY surprised you in any way?

Rey and Kylo fighting side by side was AWESOME, in no small measure because it looked amazing but also because I wasn't 100% sure where they were going with it. It ended with the predictable status quo, but the journey there did not feel predictable.

The whole casino side plot was a huge waste of time, BUT it showed us a part of the Star Wars world we hadn't seen before, a layer of society we hadn't experienced, as well as a look at how regular folks live.

Laura Dern was distracting because she's Laura Dern, but I liked the character and liked how she put Poe in his place and LOVED her triumphant moment. Wow.

Again, something I'd never seen before in Star Wars.

There was a lot of that kind of thing.

It's a weird movie. Felt unlike anything I've seen (in live action) from Star Wars. There's just nothing like it. It's messy, cluttered, unfocused, doesn't know what it wants to be, and it somehow managed to be all those things and ALSO be a new, fresh experience.

I am eager to see this again.

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Eric wrote:
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There were two or three points in the story where they could have used the footage in the film, reshooting other characters' dialogue and scenes, to kill off the character. They've already said they're not going to do a CGI Carrie Fisher for the next episode. Why didn't they?

Leia flying through space seemed ridiculous to me, though since Rey's a Jedi now without even the cursory training Luke received, I guess the new films figure training is unnecessary. When the ship blows up around her, I expected she was dead. Laura Dern could have filled her role in the plot for the rest of the movie. Yes, you'd have lost a lot of fun interactions between her and Oscar Isaac, but that would've been a better send-off than having her die off-screen between films. Do they have enough footage in the can to cut together a credible death scene in the next movie? I'm wondering whether, in a desire to leave as much as possible of her final role in the film, they put themselves in a position where they can't give the character a satisfying send-off.

Agree with all of this and had the same thoughts during the movie.
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It was SUCH an easy edit to write her out with what they had actually shot, I can't for the life of me figure out how they'll handle episode 9. Odd choice.

And the Mary Poppins was a bit much.


But that's this movie. It's sometimes just insane.

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Fans are losing their minds because The Last Jedi doesn’t respect the franchise as much as fans do and expect from the series.

And I think they are 100% wrong about that.

This movie respects the franchise umpteen times more than The Force Awakens ever did becauce it's got the balls to be wild and forge its own path.

Slavish devotion to nostalgia was everything that was wrong with the first one.

This one, they just throw all the toys on the floor and say, "We're breaking this shit!"

Loads of respect for that. As a lifelong Star wars fans, the idea that I have no idea what's coming or even what rules it will play by is exciting.

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brian wrote:
Poe to Hux Nazi's exchange in the beginning felt like a retread of the already annoying gag in Thor 3. Villain gives a speech, hero makes them repeat it.

It's like Disney has a joke pool to pepper scripts with.

The jokes are bad throughout. They should have ruined the movie. I have no idea how they didn't, but they didn't.
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Yes, the racism is pretty jarring through modern eyes

Bitch, that shit was fucking jarring at the time, too. :flip:

Not with white privilege it isn't. :thumbs:
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I freaking LOVED smart-ass Luke casually tossing away his responsibilities. If nothing else, the last 25 years of Mark Hamill playing flamboyant comic-book baddies in The Flash and various Batman animated shows and movies has given him a crack sense of comic timing, and when he's fucking around with Rey by tickling her outstretched hand with a blade of grass and being like, "You feel the force? Huh?", it was totally a riff on Yoda pretending to be a silly, ignorant swamp creature in Empire. Fans upset that he's not grave enough or just ran away from cleaning up his own mess or whatever didn't seem to mind Yoda fucking off to Dagobah instead of facing the Emperor again after failing to stop his political machinations in Revenge Of The Sith.

Yep. Much of that early Luke stuff was
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a clear callback to Yoda. Very fitting. I loved that.

I also loved that it was YODA who decided, "Nah, burn this Jedi shit to the ground."

Still one step ahead of the supposedly old and wise Luke.

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I don't agree with the side plot being a huge waste of time - it's an adventure that ends in failure, except it doesn't. The payoff comes at the very end. That entire subplot is this movie. You think it's doing A, when it's actually doing B.

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That's a good point, actually. The sideplot is the overall movie in microcosm, the message being about the next generation of fighters rising again. It's sort of like the pirate story in Watchmen; a reflection of the main story. A good observation.

Still doesn't mean it wasn't a messy, lengthy diversion, though. :lol:

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Shoe wrote:
Yep. Much of that early Luke stuff was
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a clear callback to Yoda. Very fitting. I loved that.

I also loved that it was YODA who decided, "Nah, burn this Jedi shit to the ground."

Still one step ahead of the supposedly old and wise Luke.


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Rey had the books. Yoda says something along the lines of "There's nothing in that tree that Rey does not already have." Yoda knew she took them.


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Sure, sure, but symbolically that action was still important, even if it didn't have the finality Luke thought it did.

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There is some subversive thematic material here that I really love. Part of the movie is about dismantling the church and about not trusting in man-made systems of faith, belief, and power, because those systems too often use your own memories and emotions against you or to control you. So toss it all out, says the movie. Stop clinging to the past for comfort and for answers. Instead, look ahead.

Think of how META that is to send those messages in a STAR WARS movie, of all places!

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Also, don't eat meat, milk is gross, and liberate the animals.


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Luke stabbed a 400 foot spear through a big fish. Not all animals are as equal as others, it would appear.

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Four legs good, no legs bad.

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Luke stabbed a 400 foot spear through a big fish. Not all animals are as equal as others, it would appear.


Luke's whole schtick was that you shouldn't blindly worship heroes. He's a filthy green-milk drinker. Don't be like him. Learn from his mistakes.


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milkshakes?

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yes, learn from his milkshakes.


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So one thing I've learned from a decade of wish-fulfillment film - talking to fellow fans about nerd films is fucking terrible. They'll pick apart whatever petty shit they see in a film they don't like, but ignore all the same petty shit in the films they do like.

People are stupid.

Movies are stupid.

Stupid is stupid.


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If Sideshow collectibles makes one of those dinosaur cow tit monster things, I will buy one.

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What about the boob lady in the casino?


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nah, if I'd get anything from the casino planet, it would be one of the Falkor-looking horses.

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What about a robot porg?


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Chewie with skinned Porg action features!

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Chewie with a porg by the feet smashing its head against a rock action figure with porg smashing motion.

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Johnson showed no love for Chewie as a character. Chewie had his best moments in Force Awakens.


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Johnson showed no love for Chewie as a character. Chewie had his best moments in Force Awakens.

True. I was just thinking about that, as I forgot Chewie was with Rye until the sad porg scene, and did Luke even talk to him, I forget?

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Luke said "Chewie!" followed by "Where's Han?"

That was the extent, I think.


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Luke said "Chewie!" followed by "Where's Han?"

That was the extent, I think.
Now I remember, he got over that pretty quickly.

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To be fair, I think it would be hard to converse with a wookie.


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Chewie doesn't matter with Han dead. He's a sidekick. He's always been a sidekick. He doesn't warrant upgrading to a main.

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But I wanted to see Rey and Chewbacca form a deep, layered relationship.


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