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 Post subject: Lazy Song Writing?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:30 am 
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The other week, Pender Wife and I were doing errands and the Duran Duran hit, Hungry Like The Wolf, came on the radio.

She accused the song of being lazy since it has a lot of "doo-doo-doo-doo-do-doo"s.

I counterpointed that many 50s doo-wop songs share a lot of the inherent trait, but I agreed that HLTW seemed possibly a little lazy in the regards.

Since then, we have been listening with an ear towards all the rock songs that use the doo-doo-doo type of writing.

Including Steve Miller's Fly Like An Eagle, Floyd's Wish You Were Here, etc.

I am not a huge fan of Duran Duran, but even their name seems repetitive, right? So a song from them should be expected to have plenty of repeated words. And I took the side of defending their choice - but can easily see it as being lazy.

But, doo (or "do") is not really a word other than as a shorthand for 'hairdo', a term for a function in the U.K. (mostly), and a PC version of saying 'shit'.

How say all of you on this musical use of the nonsensical words to accompany instrumental sections?

Also what songs do you enjoy that use this method of vocals? What songs are the worst offenders in your opinion? What songs make the best use of this practice? Why do you think so?

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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:00 am 
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Eh, I don't consider it lazy as a rule, but I'm sure there are occasions where it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
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Lie a lie in The Boxer. Paul Simon had intended to replace the nonsense words with actual lyrics, but ended up leaving them in.



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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:01 pm 
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As long as it's catchy, I don't care what the lyrics are.

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Monterey Jack wrote:
As long as it's catchy, I don't care what the lyrics are.

You only listen to soundtracks.

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Catchy soundtracks, without lyrics.


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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:37 pm 
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Lyrics don't need to make sense, and are - arguably - meaningless. It's the phonetic sound that create the emotional connection...


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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
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I need to make it clear that part of the issue is that the title of the song is "fierce" and/or sexual as the wolf is hungry in the Duran Duran song.

She says, and justifiably so, that the song should not stray so deeply into a light and fanciful do-do-do-doo-doo-do as it takes away from the supposed ferocity of the song (the video also seems to be playing at an 80s attempt at being badass but being more like an emo in a John Wayne war zone scene).

We are not 100% sure if some of the videos are being put up as examples of something you guys like or just the doo-wop references of musical history.

Plenty of modern songs seem to use this method of writing, too.

I am interested in hearing our resident Ennio Morricone's opinion on this (i.e., Shoe).

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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
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JFelix wrote:
Monterey Jack wrote:
As long as it's catchy, I don't care what the lyrics are.

You only listen to soundtracks.


Sometimes with actual SONGS in them. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
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Pender wrote:
the video also seems to be playing at an 80s attempt at being badass

Dude...Russell Mulcahey's videos for Duran Duran are legendary. He sold the concept of the video to the band as "Indiana Jones is horny and wants to get laid."

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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:32 am 
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Chris Knight wrote:
Pender wrote:
the video also seems to be playing at an 80s attempt at being badass

Dude...Russell Mulcahey's videos for Duran Duran are legendary. He sold the concept of the video to the band as "Indiana Jones is horny and wants to get laid."

And I agree, the video is burned into my memory, pretty much from the first viewing.

It's a great video.

My assessment still stands. It plays like a bunch of emos trying to be as rough as Indy. They could have had grown some stubble.

Regardless, it definitely is an 80s video and a great one.

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 Post subject: Re: Lazy Song Writing?
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I tend to be a lyrics guy but at the same time, I feel there is definitely a place for "doo-doo-doo" writing. I partially agree with Chris Knight that the phonetic sound sometimes matters more than the lyrics when creating a mood. Video aside, I think "Hungry Like The Wolf" is fine the way it is. The "doo-doo-doo" repetition works.

I mean, this is Duran Duran we're talking about here.

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