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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:02 am 
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I've never been keen on subscription-based streaming services but I took the plunge on this after sampling their free version. It will never replace actually owning my music but I have to say it's cool being able to check out virtually anything after a quick search with streaming occuring almost instantly -- the streaming quality is virtually indistinguishable from a well-encoded MP3 and my ears are pretty sensitive (I think they use Ogg Vorbis). Since it's based in Europe, I'm seeing alot of Europeon versions of albums -- which is cool. I've been checking out some old stuff I had in the 80's that I had on cassette but never bothered to buy again on CD or MP3. But I've able to check out a few newer albums on the day of their release without issue. Biggest drawback so far is that bigger artists like Metallica, AC/DC are notably absent from the nearly 15 million song library.

Music enthusiasts are calling this the future of digital music delivery. I don't know about that but I have to say I'm pretty impressed by the convenience of this service. 10 bucks is about what I pay a month for music on the average anyways so is it worth to give up actual ownership for unlimited access to virtually everything? I haven't made up my mind yet. I'm enjoying it for now.

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I've also been playing with the free version but I'm very limited with where I can use it. I have a company phone and company computer that I'm tied to most days. Because they're so strict about these things, I can't use Spotify unless I'm at home using my PC. If I'm there, I've got my music library on hand.

Still, I'm impressed with Spotify's selection and it's been useful for me at home just to be able to check out albums I'm interested in but haven't picked up yet (like Boston Spaceships new one). I also love that you can send a song to someone. I've done that a few times with friends.

If I wasn't tied to a company phone, I'd subscribe and use this in place of my iPod most likely.

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I'm not sure it's worth $10/month, as I can stream my entire music library for free to my phone using Google Music. But the free version is fucking fantastic.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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Sounds like a menstrual cycle gone bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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You know, if you turn off its access to your itunes (or whatever music library what-have-you), the selection's pretty crummy.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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JFelix wrote:
You know, if you turn off its access to your itunes (or whatever music library what-have-you), the selection's pretty crummy.


That depends on what your tastes are though. I've turned the access off on mine and like Downhuman, I've been impressed at the alternate versions of albums I have. The selection of indie rock is pretty good. I haven't been looking for mainstream stuff too much though, with the exception of helping a friend complete a 90's music playlist he was trying to make. We found some big holes there.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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That depends on what your tastes are though.

You know, I don't think my taste is really all that "out there" (whatever the hell that means), but as soon as someone went "YOU GOT TO TRY SPOTIFY!" and I downloaded it, it might as well have given me the middle finger and a sadface whenever I plugged any search in.

It probably rocks socks streaming from a smartphone, though.

(the Comedy Death Ray compilation CD set is available on Spotify, though. Load that shit up, nearly every set is a winner)

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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JFelix wrote:
caryc wrote:
That depends on what your tastes are though.

You know, I don't think my taste is really all that "out there" (whatever the hell that means), but as soon as someone went "YOU GOT TO TRY SPOTIFY!" and I downloaded it, it might as well have given me the middle finger and a sadface whenever I plugged any search in.

It probably rocks socks streaming from a smartphone, though.


I will agree that the search isn't quite what it should be, it needs work. Sometimes I have to try a few different combinations to get an artist to pop up. Not often, though. I suspect that will only get better with time.

I upgraded to premium primarily for the smartphone access. It's sounds good enough but the app itself is really no frills. I would love to have some sound modes and possibly an EQ (although, I don't know how or if that would work with streaming). I use PowerAmp for my MP3s and WMA's and the built-in EQ makes them sound phenomenal. Wish there a little more customization for the playists, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:59 pm 
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JFelix wrote:
caryc wrote:
That depends on what your tastes are though.

You know, I don't think my taste is really all that "out there" (whatever the hell that means), but as soon as someone went "YOU GOT TO TRY SPOTIFY!" and I downloaded it, it might as well have given me the middle finger and a sadface whenever I plugged any search in.


I didn't mean to suggest your searches were "out there". I mean, as Downhuman pointed out, good luck looking for AC/DC or Metallica. I just meant that for my tastes, I seem to be finding most everything I'm looking for. For instance, I looked up Superdrag and Spotify has some of their older, pre-major label stuff available as well as a tribute album that was pretty fun to listen to. They also had most of their major label albums. Looking up GBV side projects I found a bunch of Circus Devils and Boston Spaceships stuff I'd been waiting to hear. Someone told me to check out Candye Kane yesterday (ex-pornstar turned respected blues singer) and Spotify had a nice selection of songs by her. I ended up downloading her "best of" album after listening to Spotify.

None of that stuff is all that mainstream, so I'm not that surprised it's on there. These are artists that will take whatever exposure they can get, I'm sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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No TOOL?

Fuck that.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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Pender wrote:
No TOOL?

Fuck that.


You should already own Tool.

(Unless you're me, I'm not a fan)

I've been playing around with Spotify - I like it for finding artists I like, and keep clicking on similar artists until it ends up with a totally different sound.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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My problem is with the Britpop stuff. so much of it is unplayable in the US because it never had official release here.

Bah!

But I like the service otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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This is exactly my problem my problem with Spotify as well. I switch to the Swedish chart and 75% of the numbers can't be played. No I don't like Swedish music in particular but europop is what I enjoy. But since the music industry feels they still has to do business like they did in the 60es I can't listen to it.

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No TOOL?

Fuck that.


You should already own Tool.

(Unless you're me, I'm not a fan)

I've been listening to a good bit of Tool lately, and I've been a fan for a long time -- I saw them in 1993, and had the Opiate EP (on cassette!) before "Sober," from Undertow, broke them big -- but I waver sometimes on the level of praise they get from some corners of the music community.

Great band, great riffs, great vocals, etc., but they're kind of samey, aren't they?

Cary, Downhuman, you guys are both fans as well. Am I off base here?

I listen to Ænima, to Lateralus, to 10,000 Days, and they all sound like the same record to me. Sometimes I even forget which song is on which album because they all bleed together. From Ænima forward, you have similar basslines time and again, similar riffs, the same riffing with non-standard time signatures.

They get credited for being this extraordinary prog-metal band -- and again, I think they're great -- but just how "prog" are their songs? I don't feel like most go to strange and unexpected places. They've got a core musical theme that gets played over and over with slight variations.

I have no idea where I'm going with this post. It's not intended to be a "Tool is overrated" post. There are a million such rants on the Internet, and most lack substance. And I do love the band. They're fucking great.

I don't know what my point is.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify
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Tool is overrated.

You really should be found and ridiculed.

Aren't there already a million rants about this on the internet?

You should examine where you are going with this.

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Fucking Pender! :mad:

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It's interesting that you bring this up. I have a similar feeling toward them but not with the same albums you do. I like them a lot and saw them on the Lollapalooza '92 tour. I specifically made it a point to make all my friends go early so we could see them as the opener because I loved Opiate so much (still do).

Undertow and Ænima came out and to me they went nowhere. I liked certain songs off them, but as a whole I didn't really love either album. I felt things got samey quick on both records and songs blended into one another. I still loved the band, mostly because they were so different from any other metal bands of the time. There was everyone else, and there was Tool, so despite not wowing me with entire albums, they wowed me with their use of dynamics and shifting rhythms, etc.

Then Lateralus came out and blew my mind. Maybe it was just a "right place/right time" thing but it came out at a time in my life where I had a lot of time to spend with it. It is definitely a headphones album on many levels. The more time I spent with it, the more I loved it. To me, that's their high water mark. Most people like Ænima better, but the way Lateralus flows hits me harder.

10,000 Days just seemed like treading water to me. Still a good album. Still Tool being Tool. It just didn't grab me like Lateralus.

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Tool is fine.

It’s the majority of Tool fans that are insufferable.

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I agree completely on 10,000 Days re: it being a treading water album. It's a great record, make no mistake, but it just feels like more of the same. I don't want to accuse them of mailing it in, I know they don't operate that way, just that it's a record we already heard.

I also agree that they shine with headphones listens.

I'm a big fan and enjoy them a lot, I just can't shake the idea that for all the praise they get for being innovative, they've been making the same record for 20 years.

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I'm a big fan and enjoy them a lot, I just can't shake the idea that for all the praise they get for being innovative, they've been making the same record for 20 years.


At the same time, there's something to be said for not saturating the market with the same album. Exclude Opiate and they only put out an album every five years or so. I think to some degree they're able to keep their credibility because of that. If they were putting out an album every two years, people would have written them off by now, but they only really have four albums for people to listen to.

That's the problem I have with some of my favorite bands actually. I've always been a big Black Sabbath fan but they put out way too many mediocre albums. I still like some of them. The Headless Cross is the heaviest, most crushing Sabbath album since Ozzy left and it came out in the late-80's, but you have to wade through so much mediocre stuff to get to that one, it turns people off.

Tool taking years to put an album together means that they're not pushing "product" out the door for their record label like so many others do. They're making albums when they're ready to make albums so not only are the songs usually above par, the fans are super-excited to get new music.

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That's a really good point. It's true, they release music so sporadically, it's difficult to tire of what they do unless you're listening to them in marathons.

At this point, it's been over a decade since their last record. They could just release more of the same shit, but it's been so long it would still be welcome.

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On a completely different note, about six years ago we went to Arizona for a week vacation. One day we were within about 45 minutes of going up to Maynard's winery's tasting room so we made the trek. It's in a cool little town kind of up in the mountains there. The wines were all pretty great. I picked up a few bottles for some people here who I knew would like it and grabbed one for myself. If you get a chance to taste them, you should. Dude crafts some excellent stuff both musically and alcoholically.

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Shoe wrote:
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No TOOL?

Fuck that.


You should already own Tool.

(Unless you're me, I'm not a fan)

I've been listening to a good bit of Tool lately, and I've been a fan for a long time -- I saw them in 1993, and had the Opiate EP (on cassette!) before "Sober," from Undertow, broke them big -- but I waver sometimes on the level of praise they get from some corners of the music community.

Great band, great riffs, great vocals, etc., but they're kind of samey, aren't they?

Cary, Downhuman, you guys are both fans as well. Am I off base here?

I listen to Ænima, to Lateralus, to 10,000 Days, and they all sound like the same record to me. Sometimes I even forget which song is on which album because they all bleed together. From Ænima forward, you have similar basslines time and again, similar riffs, the same riffing with non-standard time signatures.

They get credited for being this extraordinary prog-metal band -- and again, I think they're great -- but just how "prog" are their songs? I don't feel like most go to strange and unexpected places. They've got a core musical theme that gets played over and over with slight variations.

I have no idea where I'm going with this post. It's not intended to be a "Tool is overrated" post. There are a million such rants on the Internet, and most lack substance. And I do love the band. They're fucking great.

I don't know what my point is.


One. Holy shit at responding to my post I made 7 years ago.

Two. I still don't listen to Tool. If there was one album of theirs that you'd say "This is the one you should start with", what would it be? My only exposure was from being in the car with friends when we were in college or teenagers. Also Puscifer. Which I just assume if I didn't care for that, I probably wouldn't be into Tool.


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brian wrote:
If there was one album of theirs that you'd say "This is the one you should start with", what would it be?

I'd say Ænima is pretty much their definitive record. It laid out what they'd do for the next three albums (which span from 1996 to today) and, in my opinion, best represents the scope of their overall sound and approach.

I also don't think Tool would appeal to you, so I wouldn't necessarily urge you to run out and listen to it.

That said, for my money, this is the record's standout track:


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Also Brian, you should listen to a few Puscifer tracks because they're nothing like Tool. Both Tool and A Perfect Circle are bands in the true sense of the word, with members contributing music that Maynard may help arrange but mostly writes lyrics to.

Puscifer is Maynard on his own just doing whatever he feels like doing. Of the albums out there, I only have "V is for Vagina" and "Conditions of My Parole". I tend to like the latter one better than the first. Below is a link to the uncensored video for the title track. It reminds me of 90's Butthole Surfers a little.

Also, fun fact: Milla Jovovich provides backing vocals on the "V for Vagina" album, which probably means JFelix and Noto have shrines in their homes with this album at the center.




And here's "Mama Sed" off of "V for Vagina"


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Also Brian, you should listen to a few Puscifer tracks because they're nothing like Tool.

Thanks for the recommendation. I went to a Puscifer show maybe 8 or 10 years ago and I didn't connect with the material at all.

I also got really odd vibes from the audience, I just remember thinking "I don't belong here at all" as if I wandered into a ping pong show in Bangkok or something.


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I have all the Puscifer stuff and have intended to give it a close listen, but I've never gotten around to it. I've played one or two in the background, but have no teal memory of it.

My rough impression is that it is to Maynard as Mr. Bungle is to Mike Patton, i.e. his not as serious side project with a lot of crazed nonsense, but again, I haven't given it a listen enough to say that with any real knowledge.

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I... have no teal memory of it.

What about your orange recall?

:lol:

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My orange recall is pretty fantastic. It's really only those blue/green colors that I have a hard time remembering.

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My rough impression is that it is to Maynard as Mr. Bungle is to Mike Patton, i.e. his not as serious side project with a lot of crazed nonsense...


That pretty well nails it. I don't listen often but they're fun albums to put on every now and then. They definitely don't grab me the same way that Tool does.

To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of A Perfect Circle. I liked the first album well enough, but I haven't really cared for any of the follow-ups. Even the new one just didn't click for me. HOWEVER, I have to credit them with introducing me to Failure's "The Nurse Who Loved Me". They covered it on their second album and when I went back to listen to the original, it quickly became one of my all-time favorite songs. Ever since, it's been in regular rotation on my iPod.


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