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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:24 pm 
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You think there weren't enough people who voted third party or stayed home as a protest to swing the election to Clinton?

Heck, if you add in all the people who stayed home, there were more than enough to swing the election to a third person other than Clinton or Trump. But I'm not talking about that. Do you seriously believe there weren't enough people standing on principle (who decided that the choice between a flawed candidate and an irredeemably horrible one was so difficult that they didn't vote or voted third party) to swing the election to Clinton?

Because we're not arguing facts here, alternative or otherwise, but that one seems a very, very safe assumption.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:28 pm 
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Oh, and I finished some books:
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Once 1984 drops off the bestseller list, I expect fantasy to be a mainstay. Reality sucks.


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You think there weren't enough people who voted third party or stayed home as a protest to swing the election to Clinton?

Heck, if you add in all the people who stayed home, there were more than enough to swing the election to a third person other than Clinton or Trump. But I'm not talking about that. Do you seriously believe there weren't enough people standing on principle (who decided that the choice between a flawed candidate and an irredeemably horrible one was so difficult that they didn't vote or voted third party) to swing the election to Clinton?

Because we're not arguing facts here, alternative or otherwise, but that one seems a very, very safe assumption.
The numbers are not completely in yet, but the percentage of people that were eligible to vote compared to did vote is around what it was in 2012, 55%.

And even if it did, it was the DNC's job to allow the candidate that more people wanted to be on the ticket, they didn't. They fucked themselves. So maybe next go around they will learn that lesson and allow the system to choose, not the assholes put in place before hand to choose.

Blaming people for not holding their nose and voting for someone they hated because the other option was more loathsome is ridiculous. People should be voting for who they want, not against who they don't.

Trump got more of his supporters out to vote where it counted, and Hillary didn't, because of her arrogance. She insulted and screwed over the people that she needed to vote for her.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:04 pm 
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Once 1984 drops off the bestseller list, I expect fantasy to be a mainstay. Reality sucks.
I was thinking about that on my car ride in and wondering how many of those purchases were as gifts to Trump supporters from sane people?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:22 pm 
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Blaming people for not holding their nose and voting for someone they hated because the other option was more loathsome is ridiculous. People should be voting for who they want, not against who they don't.


That's the thinking that got Trump in the White House.

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I was thinking about that on my car ride in and wondering how many of those purchases were as gifts to Trump supporters from sane people?


Not sure how I'd feel about that, since the books would likely be going to waste, unread. And in any case, I doubt it'd do any good if the Trump voters did read them. They'd get all jazzed up about how that's what Obama was doing to the country, or what they narrowly avoided ("Because, you know, it's about socialism!") and praise Trump for delivering them from evil.


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I was going to write up something about the current parallels with Trump and 1984, but this guy did a good job already...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/opinions/ ... index.html

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Great collection of stories...I'll have to pick up more of Hill's work.

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Great collection of stories...I'll have to pick up more of Hill's work.


Monty - Pick up Heart Shaped Box. John Carter will back me up on this. It's a fantastic book and after reading it, you'll agree that the apple does not fall far from the tree. He's not as prolific as his father but he's consistently great.

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Oh, I'm gonna go through the whole Hill bookography soon.

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Great collection of stories...I'll have to pick up more of Hill's work.


Monty - Pick up Heart Shaped Box. John Carter will back me up on this. It's a fantastic book and after reading it, you'll agree that the apple does not fall far from the tree. He's not as prolific as his father but he's consistently great.


Heart Shaped Box is great and his comic Locke & Key is also really good.

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Thanks, Shoe. :)

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Thanks, Shoe. :)

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I greatly enjoyed this.

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Cool book that contains a history of the film, a copy of the script and the novelization (which is a pretty fun read). I got the eBook version so the script was difficult to read since it was photocopied.

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It's not chronological. Doesn't even reliably stay in one time period for each chapter, but jumps around quite a bit, though most of his childhood is toward the beginning. The bits about that are very interesting, while the bits about his life after becoming famous sometimes seem like a still-awestruck fan listing the famous musicians he's met and worked with. He goes out of his way to be generous to ex-wives and ex-bandmates, though sometimes so much that he seems not to be telling the whole story.

But there are lots of anecdotes, and Costello's a guy more comfortable with words than most musicians. Fans of his music, and there are a couple among the few people left on this site, would enjoy this if they haven't already read it. Just don't expect a completely coherent narrative (though one review I've read pointed out that, with judicious editing, a very coherent narrative about Costello's relationship with his father, who he places on a not-completely-deserved pedestal, could have been pulled out of this rambling book).


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Enjoyable, and does a good job of aping Ian Fleming's style in those early Bond books.

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It's not chronological. Doesn't even reliably stay in one time period for each chapter, but jumps around quite a bit, though most of his childhood is toward the beginning. The bits about that are very interesting, while the bits about his life after becoming famous sometimes seem like a still-awestruck fan listing the famous musicians he's met and worked with. He goes out of his way to be generous to ex-wives and ex-bandmates, though sometimes so much that he seems not to be telling the whole story.

But there are lots of anecdotes, and Costello's a guy more comfortable with words than most musicians. Fans of his music, and there are a couple among the few people left on this site, would enjoy this if they haven't already read it. Just don't expect a completely coherent narrative (though one review I've read pointed out that, with judicious editing, a very coherent narrative about Costello's relationship with his father, who he places on a not-completely-deserved pedestal, could have been pulled out of this rambling book).


Both Cary and I have read it, and have the same praise and disdain for the work. It's good, but I wanted it to be so much better, and the absolute lack of time continuity, was at best jarring, and at worst infuriating.

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Like Kimfair said, we both agree. One thing you point out is my main beef with the book overall. That's the feeling that he's not really telling the whole story. I felt the same way as I was reading it.

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Well, how could he tell the whole story? But yeah, he'd hint at things and not expand. O'Riordan got, what, maybe three paragraphs?

I took it as his ramblings. Whatever he felt like talking about, in whatever order, with the sort of ellipses that people make when they're telling stories that touch on people they don't want to hurt (or maybe that they do want to hurt, but don't want to be the sort of person who gives in to that urge). And it was enjoyable enough taken that way, but not something I could ever imagine revisiting.


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On a slightly different note, I recently read Lemmy's autobiography White Line Fever. Now granted, he has not had a career as nuanced as Costello's and his music is not nearly as widely known. However it reminded me a lot of Keith Richards' book. Engaging, funny and really didn't pull many punches. He talked very bluntly about relationships with former bandmates, women, etc. and it had me laughing out loud a few times.

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Haven't read that, but the comparison between Richards's book and Costello's is a good one. Costello won't come out and say he hates his original bassist. Richards makes fun of the size of Jagger's dick.


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Haven't read that, but the comparison between Richards's book and Costello's is a good one. Costello won't come out and say he hates his original bassist. Richards makes fun of the size of Jagger's dick.


That's exactly what's fun about the Lemmy book. Motorhead had a lineup for a few years that included one of the guitar players from Thin Lizzy. The guy was not one of Lemmy's favorite people and he does tell some pretty funny and damning stories about that period of the band.

Richards' book was one of those rare ones that I didn't really want to end. I loved the conversational style.

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Yeah, the Life book was good. Sadly, I read some of it during silent reading time in my classroom; not the best environment. But it was fun.


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The Zodiac series by Stan Lee, Stuart More, and Andie Tong.

Actually my son is reading them, just about done with #3, but he loves them and hasn't stopped talking about them so I feel as if I've read them.

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