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Isn't that place around the side of the Haunted Mine ride? If it's the same place, it is the best food in the park. The best park food I've ever had, though was in Branson, MO. Almost every place we ate in that park was awesome.

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Isn't that place around the side of the Haunted Mine ride? If it's the same place, it is the best food in the park. The best park food I've ever had, though was in Branson, MO. Almost every place we ate in that park was awesome.
That's it, right around the corner from The Mine of Lost Souls. We stumbled upon it while hungry the last time there, and I was very pleasantly surprised.

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To them Muslims are constantly being painted in a good light by the politicians or the press as non-violent but they are responsible for almost all of the attacks of terrorism. Whereas they see Christians constantly be told that they must tolerate things that are against their faith despite the lack of violence on their part.


I realize people think that, and I'm taking your "to them" as recognition, not endorsement. But letting people use the bathroom they're comfortable with (and if you think about it, anybody who uses the "wrong" bathroom is, pretty much by definition, going to be in a stall, nicely private) is not an attack on anybody's religion. An attack on somebody's religion would be, just for example, blaming that religion for terrorism when the tiny percentage of people of that religion using it as part of their excuse for terrorism account for a tiny percentage of terrorists overall, but are nonetheless misportrayed as both representative of their religion AND as the majority of terrorists.

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To them Muslims are constantly being painted in a good light by the politicians or the press as non-violent but they are responsible for almost all of the attacks of terrorism. Whereas they see Christians constantly be told that they must tolerate things that are against their faith despite the lack of violence on their part.


I realize people think that, and I'm taking your "to them" as recognition, not endorsement. But letting people use the bathroom they're comfortable with (and if you think about it, anybody who uses the "wrong" bathroom is, pretty much by definition, going to be in a stall, nicely private) is not an attack on anybody's religion. An attack on somebody's religion would be, just for example, blaming that religion for terrorism when the tiny percentage of people of that religion using it as part of their excuse for terrorism account for a tiny percentage of terrorists overall, but are nonetheless misportrayed as both representative of their religion AND as the majority of terrorists.

Sorry for hijacking your thread, Kimfair.


No, thank you. I was trying to write something similar, but hadn't as I didn't know how to say it.

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Have you been since they rehabbed it? If so, what's different?

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To them Muslims are constantly being painted in a good light by the politicians or the press as non-violent but they are responsible for almost all of the attacks of terrorism. Whereas they see Christians constantly be told that they must tolerate things that are against their faith despite the lack of violence on their part.


I realize people think that, and I'm taking your "to them" as recognition, not endorsement. But letting people use the bathroom they're comfortable with (and if you think about it, anybody who uses the "wrong" bathroom is, pretty much by definition, going to be in a stall, nicely private) is not an attack on anybody's religion. An attack on somebody's religion would be, just for example, blaming that religion for terrorism when the tiny percentage of people of that religion using it as part of their excuse for terrorism account for a tiny percentage of terrorists overall, but are nonetheless misportrayed as both representative of their religion AND as the majority of terrorists.

Sorry for hijacking your thread, Kimfair.


No, thank you. I was trying to write something similar, but hadn't as I didn't know how to say it.


But it is to some, a person who has gender reassignment surgery is telling everyone that the shouldn't have been the gender they were born with and that God made a mistake. This flies in the face of Christianity which believes in God's infallibility also the very idea of homosexuality is against Christian doctrine. For some Christians this is nothing more than the legislating sin.

I am a Christian and while I personally believe that homosexuality and transgenderism are wrong it is not my job to judge only love. Judgement was given to Jesus by God so I have no business judging anyone.

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Kimfair wrote:
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Have you been since they rehabbed it? If so, what's different?
The last time I was on it, I think was 2 years ago. I think... I have no idea what would be different, I was paying more attention to the kid's reactions then the ride itself.


I do love dark rides though, and always seek them out

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But it is to some, a person who has gender reassignment surgery is telling everyone that the shouldn't have been the gender they were born with and that God made a mistake. This flies in the face of Christianity which believes in God's infallibility also the very idea of homosexuality is against Christian doctrine. For some Christians this is nothing more than the legislating sin.


The issue with this in a multi-religious/secular society is that it is your belief, which is fine, but it's not everyone's belief, and we can't have laws which kowtow to one religion's belief's over another's. No one in this country would want us to institute Sharia law, but instituting laws just for any one religious group, even if it the biggest religious group in the country, isn't a good idea. This country is based on the idea that EVERYONE is equal, not just people with whom you agree. I mean, just the differing fractions of Christianity would have varying ideas on what should be legislated or not. It's freedom of and from religion, which is a good thing. Remember there have been societies where Christians were truly persecuted, by which I mean being killed or treated with extreme malice because of their beliefs. I don't believe asking Christians to tolerate people whom they don't agree with is persecution. I tolerate many people whom I don't agree with. It's part of living in a civilized society which is not a theocracy.

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I am a Christian and while I personally believe that homosexuality and transgenderism are wrong it is not my job to judge only love. Judgement was given to Jesus by God so I have no business judging anyone.


This, in spades. I admire religious folks like yourself, who understand the words of Jesus, and do their best to live up to them. For far too many Christians that I have come in contact with, (and you see on TV) they are far more interested in Old Testament fire and brimstone, rather than the teaching of Jesus, which, though I am an atheist, I always thought was the right way to live, love your neighbor as yourself, don't judge, etc. This is especially true of Leviticus, where the famous/infamous, man shall not lie with another man line comes from (as you know). I'm sure most Christians don't live by ALL of the parts of Leviticus, as many Christians have tattoos, eat pork, wear clothes of different fabrics, and don't sell their daughters into slavery. One of my issues with this is that I've had folks argue that "those restrictions don't make sense in the modern world", yet if they don't, why does the anti-gay one? Anyway, thanks for your input in this, I knew that we'd be able to have a civil conversation, while respecting each others beliefs/non-beliefs.

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The thing about Leviticus is that the law as it is called wasn't one law but three.

Ceremonial Law - have to do with cleanliness and the priests.

Civil Law - These laws apply only to the nation of Israel.

Moral Law - The 10 commandments are these.

You have to know which is which and there is still a great deal of argument over them. The apostle Paul however states that Christ came to die for our sins and we are released from the law see Romans 7:6 "But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code."

Leviticus isn't the only place homosexuality is mentioned it's merely the most commonly quoted. Paul refers to it several times like in Romans 1:27 "and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." Most people forget the last nine words, it's no our job to condemn them.

I think a big part of the problem is that many people claiming the Bible as their reason for certain things have never actually bothered to read it.

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... then I will quickly point out that even though homosexuality is mentioned for men, it is not, very glaringly so, for women. The previous verse, along with the one you mention, John, gets pointed to (Romans 1:26-27), but even those go out of their way to point out men with men but not women with women, it says (KJV), "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature", and then goes on to say about men, "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly..." So the women part could mean bestiality or self gratification, etc.. it again specifically points out men with men, but not women with women.

So, in that way, the bible is a lot like mainstream pornography. Girl-girl stuff is cool and maybe even welcome, but 2 guys is in the 'other section'.

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... then I will quickly point out that even though homosexuality is mentioned for men, it is not, very glaringly so, for women. The previous verse, along with the one you mention, John, gets pointed to (Romans 1:26-27), but even those go out of their way to point out men with men but not women with women, it says (KJV), "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature", and then goes on to say about men, "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly..." So the women part could mean bestiality or self gratification, etc.. it again specifically points out men with men, but not women with women.

So, in that way, the bible is a lot like mainstream pornography. Girl-girl stuff is cool and maybe even welcome, but 2 guys is in the 'other section'.


I think it had more to do with the times in which it was written than an approval of good old girl on girl action. Titus chapter 2 is often seen as the model for women to follow. Sexual immorality in general is frowned upon in each of Paul's letters. Regardless of your interpretation of the scriptures the point I'm trying to get across is that judgement isn't for us. Even if as a Christian you believe certain things to be prohibited it isn't your job or your right to judge someone else.

"The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son," - John 5:22

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things." - Romans 2:1

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil." - 2 Corinthians 5:10

and of course the most famous

"And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” - John 8:7

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack this thread it just sort of... happened.

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... Regardless of your interpretation of the scriptures the point I'm trying to get across is that judgement isn't for us. Even if as a Christian you believe certain things to be prohibited it isn't your job or your right to judge someone else...
Agreed, but my point/our point is that even the people that use the Bible to judge or force morality, are not really using the Bible, just their personal interpretation of it (as much as it allows, which in some areas is pretty damn wide) which, in turn, is just their own opinion.

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...Titus chapter 2...
That brings up another question. If something is condoned in the Bible, is it condoned still today? Like the Bible condones slavery in Titus Chapter 2, and ...

(CEV) 9 Tell slaves always to please their owners by obeying them in everything. Slaves must not talk back to their owners 10 or steal from them. They must be completely honest and trustworthy. Then everyone will show great respect for what is taught about God our Savior.

So, ya... and if that is not OK by you, why? Why would some of it be words to live by and follow, and other parts not, or is slavery cool with you? Also, if people say it was the times and is not OK, I don't buy that, not with slavery. That is a moral issue and even if common, immorality is still immorality. As the Bible does say about sex outside of marriage, which was very common and accepted in Roman and Greek society at that time, but was decided to be immoral in the Bible, but not slavery.

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Over two years (fuck, how did it get to be that long?) in the making, I have posted the first new postcard column on New Hampshire, and the first installment of New Jersey. Enjoy!

http://www.gapingmediahole.com/blog/201 ... nj-part-1/

This is awesome! Well done. I really love old postcards, and they especially hit home when they are places I know.

I have a few places I may be able to share this. If I can get one Facebook I know of to pick it up, you'll get a crazy amount of people seeing this.

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Queued this up for sharing on my NJ local history FB page. Should pop up tomorrow at around 5:30.

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Cool. I won't have any idea, though as Surf never turned on the stats page of Wordpress.

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Ericubus wrote:
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...Titus chapter 2...
That brings up another question. If something is condoned in the Bible, is it condoned still today? Like the Bible condones slavery in Titus Chapter 2, and ...

(CEV) 9 Tell slaves always to please their owners by obeying them in everything. Slaves must not talk back to their owners 10 or steal from them. They must be completely honest and trustworthy. Then everyone will show great respect for what is taught about God our Savior.

So, ya... and if that is not OK by you, why? Why would some of it be words to live by and follow, and other parts not, or is slavery cool with you? Also, if people say it was the times and is not OK, I don't buy that, not with slavery. That is a moral issue and even if common, immorality is still immorality. As the Bible does say about sex outside of marriage, which was very common and accepted in Roman and Greek society at that time, but was decided to be immoral in the Bible, but not slavery.


I use the ESV translation which uses the word bondservent not slave, this could mean anything from a criminal working off their sentence to a poor person in permanent servitude to have food and shelter.

Here is a better answer than I could come up with:


The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).

Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

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John Carter wrote:
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...Titus chapter 2...
That brings up another question. If something is condoned in the Bible, is it condoned still today? Like the Bible condones slavery in Titus Chapter 2, and ...

(CEV) 9 Tell slaves always to please their owners by obeying them in everything. Slaves must not talk back to their owners 10 or steal from them. They must be completely honest and trustworthy. Then everyone will show great respect for what is taught about God our Savior.

So, ya... and if that is not OK by you, why? Why would some of it be words to live by and follow, and other parts not, or is slavery cool with you? Also, if people say it was the times and is not OK, I don't buy that, not with slavery. That is a moral issue and even if common, immorality is still immorality. As the Bible does say about sex outside of marriage, which was very common and accepted in Roman and Greek society at that time, but was decided to be immoral in the Bible, but not slavery.


I use the ESV translation which uses the word bondservent not slave, this could mean anything from a criminal working off their sentence to a poor person in permanent servitude to have food and shelter.

Here is a better answer than I could come up with:


The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).

Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.


Personally I don't agree with slavery of any kind I don't think people should own other people. I have to admit I don't have a full biblical knowledge, I don't know everything, I'm still learning but at the heart of my faith is a deeply personal relationship with God. It's my job as a Christian to read my Bible, pray, love others and live my life in a way that they will see Christ through me. This isn't easy and there are sacrifices but they are nothing when compared to the sacrifice Jesus made by dying on the cross for our sins. I fail miserably every day to live up to what I should be but he knew that ahead of time and forgives me of my failures and gives me the strength to keep going. I'm not going to go around thumping my Bible or lecturing others on how to live, I have a hard enough time with myself but I will try to answer any questions and when I don't know I'll tell you that.

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I had to do a lot of backtracking on this thread to find postcard talk. What a rollercoaster! Slaves to ribs to tg bathroom legislation.

1. Kimfair, I always love seeing your postcard posts. Thank you for resurrecting this.
2. To all else, utopia is realizing people do weird things that aren't weird things you do. You do weird things too. If you can accept that and realize no true harm is being done, you're in a good place. If someone is being a jerk or worse, not cool and address that. So you know, let people use bathrooms, and be good to one another. Be thankful that you're not at odds with your perception of self. I can't imagine what it's like to denounce one's birth gender and facing "society" but I imagine it's probably pretty hard!


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I just published part 2 of the New Jersey cards, including Palisades Park. Link

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I had issues trying to post a new postcard column on the Gaping Media Hole blog site. It wouldn't let me use Imgur for images, and wouldn't let me download images either, so I started a new home for the postcard columns. The newest one on New Jersey, and part of New York can now be found at the following web address.

https://themidwaypostcardgallery.wordpress.com

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Cool! I always enjoy these. :thumbs:

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