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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:57 am 
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Haven't bought one in quite a while, but the OB&C's Mac is dying and the kids will increasingly need a computer. Recommendations?

Browsed Newegg, and there's cheap refurbished stuff under $100. They're not going to be PC gaming or anything any time soon. We're talking about watching YouTube videos and playing educational games on websites linked from the school page. I think that'd be adequate, but figured I'd ask for a second opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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I also should be getting a new computer (desktop). I am trying to do a lot of video editing of GoPro footage and such, and my ancient computer isn't cutting it. Will be setting up a budget, etc, soon.

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There's plenty of reputable refurbishers on eBay, and they are much cheaper than newegg. Here's a decent one.

I would generally recommend that you upgrade the RAM, regardless of where you buy it. 8GB is under $20 these days, and your peformance boost is worth every penny. If you feel uncomfortable upgrading components, buy a system with at least 4GB of RAM. If the machine comes with a 32-bit version of Windows, then there is no use in upgrading the RAM beyond 4GB.

Also, refurbished laptops are very cheap these days, as are brand new tablets. The latter, especially, are good options for kids, since you can remotely control them/set usage parameters very easily.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:33 pm 
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Kimfair wrote:
I also should be getting a new computer (desktop). I am trying to do a lot of video editing of GoPro footage and such, and my ancient computer isn't cutting it. Will be setting up a budget, etc, soon.

GoPro footage is very demanding, and wants as much power as you can afford to throw at it. Once you have a budget, let me know, and I'll let you know how to spend it wisely.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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I just purchased a refurbished Dell with an i5 processor for some ridiculously cheap price ($250 free shipping) - fingers crossed I'm not mailed a brick or something. The operating system and CPU alone would cost me $250, and this should be way better than the Athlon system I've been using since 2008 or 2009. Throw in a better powersupply and videocard and it should be a pretty decent gaming rig.

For the tasks you mention Eric, I'm sure any of those $150-$250 refurbished computers will be fine. Also seconding CK's laptop suggestion - I bought a refurbished Dell laptop off their website with a pretty decent coupon last year. The thing is a tank and has been serving me well since my desktop went kaput.


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And the laptop CK linked to is the exact one I'm running. It's pretty ok, I endorse it. Buy a couple of sticks of 8GB ram if you want it running smoothly. And you can get docking stations 2nd hand for reasonable prices if you want to use your own monitor/mouse/added USB ports or dual/triple displays.


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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For kids, the Dell E6420 laptop is a tank. You can throw it down a flight of stairs and it'll keep running. For grown ups, I'd suggest the E6430, since it adds USB 3.0 (for MUCH faster data transfers to/from flash drives/hard drives). These are old laptop models (approx. 2-3 years for the E6430, 3-4 years for the E6420), but there's little benefit to buying anything newer, since laptop CPU performance has not improved at all in that time (Intel's focus has been completely devoted to improving battery life). A brand new $1,600 Dell laptop is actually slower than the eBay model I linked to above.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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For sure, it was the cheapest price to performance ratio when i bought it last year.

I received my Dell refurbed desktop today and I'm writing this post on it. Pleasantly surprised that I was sent exactly what I ordered and it arrived quickly and in good shape. Great deal for $250.


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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dellrefurbished.com (where I have ordered dozens of PCs and laptops from) has a great coupon right now. 45 percent off desktops, or 40 percent off laptops, plus free shipping. Use code SCHOOLDAY.

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I can vouch for that site as well. Eric, GO GO GO!


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Chris Knight wrote:
dellrefurbished.com (where I have ordered dozens of PCs and laptops from) has a great coupon right now. 45 percent off desktops, or 40 percent off laptops, plus free shipping. Use code SCHOOLDAY.


So what would be something good for my needs that is under a grand (after discount)?

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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And now that I have a $250 desktop, comes the $250 videocard and the $100 power supply. I'm glad to see that $250 now gets me a much better videocard than what I started running 3 years ago. Earlier this year that was not the case.


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And now that I have a $250 desktop, comes the $250 videocard and the $100 power supply. I'm glad to see that $250 now gets me a much better videocard than what I started running 3 years ago. Earlier this year that was not the case.


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Kimfair wrote:
Chris Knight wrote:
dellrefurbished.com (where I have ordered dozens of PCs and laptops from) has a great coupon right now. 45 percent off desktops, or 40 percent off laptops, plus free shipping. Use code SCHOOLDAY.


So what would be something good for my needs that is under a grand (after discount)?

This one is very fast, and would easily meet your video editing needs:
http://dellrefurbished.com/product/syst ... /si6862054

That system will provide plenty of horsepower, but I don't know if you can upgrade it to Windows 10 (which you would have to pay for, as the free upgrade window expired a month ago). If THAT is a concern, then I would suggest you look to a Dell XPS 8900, which can be had for under $1k brand new, and is a fantastic all-around desktop. The only downside is that it's just ugly. It routinely goes on sale, including at places like Costco (if you're a member), and (of all places) QVC.

For comparison, the 8900 is exactly the same speed as the refurbished system I linked to above. The XPS is more expandable, comes with Windows 10, and has a better warranty. The refurbished system is MUCH cheaper, takes up less space, and assuming you can live with Windows 8, offers an amazing bang-for-your-buck.

If I had to buy an additional PC today, I'd go with the refurbished unit, but I'm also savvy enough to figure out how to tweak and upgrade older components. You might require the hand-holding of a extended service warranty that you get with a new PC.

Regardless, I would recommend you purchase an additional external hard drive, and edit your videos from that, and use the internal hard drive for Windows and applications only. You can buy any one you want, as long as it's made by Western Digital.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Bought from the Dell website (which I've used before as well). Just a cheap refurbished desktop and monitor. Glad I was dithering long enough, though, for you guys to tell me about the coupon code, as that made it a lot cheaper.


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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Chris Knight wrote:
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Chris Knight wrote:
dellrefurbished.com (where I have ordered dozens of PCs and laptops from) has a great coupon right now. 45 percent off desktops, or 40 percent off laptops, plus free shipping. Use code SCHOOLDAY.


So what would be something good for my needs that is under a grand (after discount)?

This one is very fast, and would easily meet your video editing needs:
http://dellrefurbished.com/product/syst ... /si6862054

That system will provide plenty of horsepower, but I don't know if you can upgrade it to Windows 10 (which you would have to pay for, as the free upgrade window expired a month ago)...
That can be upgraded to Windows 10.

http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/ ... 4#Optiplex

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Just an FYI, there's not a damn thing wrong with Windows 8.1, and it's what I rely on for my main workstation. I upgraded two of my laptops to 10, and the only new whiz-bang feature is Cortana...everything else is pretty much identical.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Chris Knight wrote:
Just an FYI, there's not a damn thing wrong with Windows 8.1, and it's what I rely on for my main workstation. I upgraded two of my laptops to 10, and the only new whiz-bang feature is Cortana...everything else is pretty much identical.

I hate 10s penchant for trying to track everything and its insistence that you use Windows' apps.

It even creeps into my Chrome browser sessions to try to recommend shit.

Hey, fuck you, Windows 10 - I know the porn I want.

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You can turn all that off. 8.1 does the same shit. All the power lies with Windows key + X

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Chris Knight wrote:
You can turn all that off. 8.1 does the same shit. All the power lies with Windows key + X

I turn it off, but then it seems to turn itself back on every time.

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Poor HAL.


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Cortana not only does an impression of HAL's singing skills, she also does Vultan from Flash Gordon. Windows 10 is worth it just for that.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Chris Knight wrote:
Cortana not only does an impression of HAL's singing skills, she also does Vultan from Flash Gordon. Windows 10 is worth it just for that.

10 is more like a 7 or 8 for me.

But it does file handling fairly quick.

I just wish I could finger a way to shut off some of the annoyances permanently instead of seeing them come back every time I update.

There is an app that it keeps telling me it uninstalled because it won't work with 10, yet every time I boot, it tells me the app won't work - then it says it uninstalled it because it won't work. Ad infinitum.

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But it does file handling fairly quick.

Nah, Teracopy is the master of file handling. Once you use it, you'll never rely on Windows to copy files ever again.
As for your W10 bug, it's moved the buggy program into the Windows.Old directory. Just move it out of there, and that stupid error should go away. Or run CCleaner to clean the registry entry for the app, and you're good to go.

This is why a Clean install is always better than an upgrade. Always start fresh with a new OS.

Not to say W10 isn't at fault here. I installed it on a Dell XPS laptop (originally came with W7), and now the system won't recognize USB 3.0 flash drives made by PNY. Like, just that manufacturer, and just USB 3 flash drives.

Weird, man.

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And PowerREN 2000 is the best for file renaming. I'm not just saying that because a friend of mine made it many years ago, I still use it and it really is damn good.

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Chris Knight wrote:
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But it does file handling fairly quick.

Nah, Teracopy is the master of file handling. Once you use it, you'll never rely on Windows to copy files ever again.
As for your W10 bug, it's moved the buggy program into the Windows.Old directory. Just move it out of there, and that stupid error should go away. Or run CCleaner to clean the registry entry for the app, and you're good to go.

This is why a Clean install is always better than an upgrade. Always start fresh with a new OS.

Not to say W10 isn't at fault here. I installed it on a Dell XPS laptop (originally came with W7), and now the system won't recognize USB 3.0 flash drives made by PNY. Like, just that manufacturer, and just USB 3 flash drives.

Weird, man.

I will try that.

My W10 is indigenous to the machine.

And I use CCleaner nearly every time prior to shutdown, but I will try to direct it to the register entry for the app specifically to see if that helps, too.

Appreciate it.

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10 is great. Stable, compatible almost across the board, doesn't try to do too much. It IS a little tracky feely Big Brothery, but you can zap most of that.

I do dislike auto updates, though. I understand why they do it, but I don't go in for auto updates on ANYTHING. I prefer to make the choice myself, preferably two weeks after the update so I can see the various ways it's fucking up systems.

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Got my components all together (could use some more RAM but otherwise I'm alright) but it's kind of awful downloading large games on a DSL connection.

On the plus - put a new videocard and power supply in. 90+% power efficiency! Woo! Here's hoping this isn't a space heater like my last computer was (I'm already thankful it doesn't sound like a jet engine like the last computer)

Side note, this is my first Intel/Nvidia system. Don't let me down you two!


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So Chris - is the Dell XPS 8900 still OK for me, or is there a newer version that's better. I will be ordering a new computer very soon.

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The 8900 was replaced by the 8910 a few weeks ago. Looks solid, and it's certainly better looking. That also means the 8900 is on clearance (= good deals). There is little to no speed difference between the 8900 and 8910, but the newer model does add USB 3.1 and an M.2 slot (both of which are meaningless to you, but I thought I would throw it out there anyway).

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So I went with the XPS 8900 w/16G RAM. added a 24 inch monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard. total was just under $1300. cool. Looking forward to being able to actually do stuff with my videos. Chris, should I get more RAM? I can go up to 64G, but there wasn't an easy place to add it, and it seemed more expensive than it should be. Thoughts?

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For what you are doing, 16GB will be absolutely fine. If you ever decide to upgrade it, it's very cheap and very easy to install. I wouldn't worry about it for a few years. Instead, I would concentrate money on hard drives, and backups of those hard drives.

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I already own a (has been reliable for 5+ years) external drive where I store all my files, and a 2TB backup that I keep in the box except when I'm backing up (which I will do prior to setting up the new computer).

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Glad you told me about the new upgrade. When I looked at that same computer in August, it was $1200 just for the computer, not including the monitor and wireless keyboard and mouse. Last night it was $900 for the computer, with the other $400 being the other stuff and tax.

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 Post subject: Re: New Desktop?
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Bought one of the 6430s Chris recommended a while ago. Sort of a small hard drive, though.

How difficult is it to swap out a laptop hard drive? I've read a couple tutorials saying that if you clone the drive first, it's as simple as unplugging one and plugging in the other, then rebooting. But sometimes the people writing tutorials tell you it's easy because it is... for them.

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